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DreadedGhoul575
post Sep 21 2015, 07:55 AM
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QUOTE(Nightc0re @ Sep 20 2015, 11:16 AM) *

The native plugins are not working at the moment, so you have to use the latest metamod plugins for RCBot2.
Cheeseh is currently only updating the metamod version of the RCBot2.

Download the latest version 1.11.0-git992 from the snapshots.
https://www.metamodsource.net/snapshots

And install the rcbot metamod plugin from here:
http://rcbot.bots-united.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1943
or here
http://rcbot.bots-united.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1967

I don't really use it tbh and I prefer it offline by myself; it worked before, but no longer.
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post Sep 21 2015, 11:49 AM
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QUOTE(DreadedGhoul575 @ Sep 21 2015, 09:55 AM) *
I don't really use it tbh and I prefer it offline by myself

Metamod also works offline. Metamod is just a better technique to load and unload plugins.
It has nothing to do with offline or online, it just intercepts the server commands so plugins can use them.

Metamod is an abstraction layer between the plugin and the server.

This means, when the server gets updated, the plugin author generally does not have to update his plugin.
All that must be done, is upgrading metamod and then the plugin is working again.

As you can see metamod is a better and more convenient way to load plugins.
Metamod is also available for older servers. Again, it has nothing to do with offline or online.
Metamod is basically a plugin loader, not more, not less.

If you do not want to use this plugin loader, then you will have to wait.
Because Cheeseh is currently only updating the metamod plugin.

If you want to know what metamod really does, look here:
https://www.metamodsource.net/about

QUOTE(DreadedGhoul575 @ Sep 21 2015, 09:55 AM) *
it worked before, but no longer.

Do you have done anything before it stopped working?

The rcbot plugin stopped working because there was a new server update by valve.
This problem can be fixed by updating metamod.

What do you mean with offline?

Are you using the latest dedicated server from valve, and use it in LAN mode, or are you using an outdated server?
If you don't have updated your server, I don't understand why the plugin stopped working.
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post Sep 21 2015, 04:58 PM
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QUOTE(Nightc0re @ Sep 21 2015, 04:49 AM) *

Do you have done anything before it stopped working?

The rcbot plugin stopped working because there was a new server update by valve.
This problem can be fixed by updating metamod.

What do you mean with offline?

Are you using the latest dedicated server from valve, and use it in LAN mode, or are you using an outdated server?
If you don't have updated your server, I don't understand why the plugin stopped working.

Hey Nightcore,

I think you gave a very good description of metamod and plugins, thanks for all your support smile.gif ...

I think he is a new user and just got the native plugin installed a few days before valve's updates broke it. He may be playing on a listen server, single player. I assume the valve updates also broke native rcbot2 plugin on listen servers? I'm using rcbot2 on a listen server, single player, steam offline mode. I updated dod:s about a week before the latest updates, so the native rcbot2 plugin still works for me in offline mode. So if he had his TF2 set to automatic update, that is why it quit working (native rcbot2), I guess...
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post Sep 21 2015, 05:51 PM
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QUOTE(madmax2 @ Sep 21 2015, 06:58 PM) *

Hey Nightcore,

I think you gave a very good description of metamod and plugins, thanks for all your support smile.gif ...

I think he is a new user and just got the native plugin installed a few days before valve's updates broke it. He may be playing on a listen server, single player. I assume the valve updates also broke native rcbot2 plugin on listen servers? I'm using rcbot2 on a listen server, single player, steam offline mode. I updated dod:s about a week before the latest updates, so the native rcbot2 plugin still works for me in offline mode. So if he had his TF2 set to automatic update, that is why it quit working (native rcbot2), I guess...

You're welcome.

Your assumptions are correct. The listen server and the dedicated server are basically the same.
In your game client, there is a folder called "game/tf/bin". In this folder there are two files, the "client.dll" and the "server.dll".

The "server.dll" is loaded when you start an in-game server.
When you install a dedicated server, then you also have this "bin" folder, with the same content except the "client.dll".

I just compared the "server.dll" from the dedicated server with the "server.dll" from the in-game server.
They are binary identical.

So when the dedicated servers are not working.
And you have the latest client, it is very likely that the in-game server doesn't work too.

Metamod can also be loaded from an in-game server, however you have to specify the "-insecure" flag.
Which is not needed when using dedicated servers.
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post Sep 22 2015, 09:05 AM
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QUOTE(Nightc0re @ Sep 20 2015, 11:16 AM) *

The native plugins are not working at the moment, so you have to use the latest metamod plugins for RCBot2.
Cheeseh is currently only updating the metamod version of the RCBot2.

Download the latest version 1.11.0-git992 from the snapshots.
https://www.metamodsource.net/snapshots

And install the rcbot metamod plugin from here:
http://rcbot.bots-united.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1943
or here
http://rcbot.bots-united.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1967

Oh right, I prefer offline tbh, I'll wait until they're hopefully back up I guess.
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post Sep 22 2015, 02:31 PM
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QUOTE(DreadedGhoul575 @ Sep 22 2015, 11:05 AM) *
Oh right, I prefer offline tbh, I'll wait until they're hopefully back up I guess.

Did you miss the entire second page of this thread?
Edit: After checking the post you have quoted, I really think you have missed the second page of this thread.
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QUOTE(Nightc0re @ Sep 21 2015, 12:49 PM) *

Metamod also works offline. Metamod is just a better technique to load and unload plugins.
It has nothing to do with offline or online, it just intercepts the server commands so plugins can use them.

Metamod is an abstraction layer between the plugin and the server.

This means, when the server gets updated, the plugin author generally does not have to update his plugin.
All that must be done, is upgrading metamod and then the plugin is working again.

As you can see metamod is a better and more convenient way to load plugins.
Metamod is also available for older servers. Again, it has nothing to do with offline or online.
Metamod is basically a plugin loader, not more, not less.

If you do not want to use this plugin loader, then you will have to wait.
Because Cheeseh is currently only updating the metamod plugin.

If you want to know what metamod really does, look here:
https://www.metamodsource.net/about
Do you have done anything before it stopped working?

What do you mean with offline?

Are you using the latest dedicated server from valve, and use it in LAN mode, or are you using an outdated server?
If you don't have updated your server, I don't understand why the plugin stopped working.

I don't really understand metamod tbh and nothing about servers; I go onto create a server, cp_dustbowl and start and sometimes type commands in the console (that's what I mean by offline kinda lol)
The rcbot plugin stopped working because there was a new server update by valve.
This problem can be fixed by updating metamod. No, I didn't do anything to stop it from working, most likely the update and I don't know what you mean by updating the server because I don't have one.

QUOTE(madmax2 @ Sep 21 2015, 05:58 PM) *

Hey Nightcore,

I think you gave a very good description of metamod and plugins, thanks for all your support smile.gif ...

I think he is a new user and just got the native plugin installed a few days before valve's updates broke it. He may be playing on a listen server, single player. I assume the valve updates also broke native rcbot2 plugin on listen servers? I'm using rcbot2 on a listen server, single player, steam offline mode. I updated dod:s about a week before the latest updates, so the native rcbot2 plugin still works for me in offline mode. So if he had his TF2 set to automatic update, that is why it quit working (native rcbot2), I guess...

You helped me install it without sm and mm and yes, most likely it did break it. Yeah, automatic update.

QUOTE(Nightc0re @ Sep 21 2015, 06:51 PM) *

You're welcome.

Your assumptions are correct. The listen server and the dedicated server are basically the same.
In your game client, there is a folder called "game/tf/bin". In this folder there are two files, the "client.dll" and the "server.dll".

The "server.dll" is loaded when you start an in-game server.
When you install a dedicated server, then you also have this "bin" folder, with the same content except the "client.dll".

I just compared the "server.dll" from the dedicated server with the "server.dll" from the in-game server.
They are binary identical.

So when the dedicated servers are not working.
And you have the latest client, it is very likely that the in-game server doesn't work too.

Metamod can also be loaded from an in-game server, however you have to specify the "-insecure" flag.
Which is not needed when using dedicated servers.

I don't really understand all of that, I just mainly want it, so I can play solo with them, or even spectate. No big deal though I guess.

QUOTE(Nightc0re @ Sep 22 2015, 03:31 PM) *

Did you miss the entire second page of this thread?
Edit: After checking the post you have quoted, I really think you have missed the second page of this thread.

Yeah lol, I didn't realise it makes a second page lol; I noticed the comments on others, but they had no more pages than 1, so I thought it's all on one. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(DreadedGhoul575 @ Sep 22 2015, 10:50 PM) *
No, I didn't do anything to stop it from working, most likely the update and I don't know what you mean by updating the server because I don't have one.

I will try to explain it with simple words.

For a multi player game (like TF2) you have to understand the client-server-concept.
You cannot start a multi player game (like TF2) without a game server.
Someone is creating a server, and other clients can join this server, to play together on the same map.

TF2 has an integrated in-game server.
When you click "Create Server" in TF2, then you are starting a local game server and you are automatically connecting to your own local server.

Although it's a local server, it is still called a server.
When TF2 gets updated, your local game server also gets updated.

RCBot2 is a plugin for this server.

So when somebody in this forum is saying "server" they are referring to your (local) "game server".
This game server can be created on your local computer, or somewhere else (it doesn't matter).
But the installation of RCBot2 is the same, for every server (local or dedicated).

QUOTE(DreadedGhoul575 @ Sep 22 2015, 10:50 PM) *
I don't really understand metamod tbh and nothing about servers; I go onto create a server, cp_dustbowl and start and sometimes type commands in the console (that's what I mean by offline kinda lol)

What you are using is called an in-game server, or listen server.
Metamod also works for in-game servers.

QUOTE(DreadedGhoul575 @ Sep 22 2015, 10:50 PM) *
I don't really understand all of that, I just mainly want it, so I can play solo with them, or even spectate. No big deal though I guess.

As I mentioned before, RCBot2 is a server plugin. Therefore this plugin has to be loaded first.
There are two ways to load a plugin. Via the native plugin interface of your game, or metamod.

Cheeseh is currently not updating the native plugin (which you were using).
But, Cheeseh updated the metamod plugin of RCBot2, which is working with the latest updates.

So you have to download metamod (metamod is used to load plugins).
And then you have to download the latest metamod plugin from Cheeseh.

1.) First delete your installed RCBot2 plugin.
The file is called "HPB_bot2.dll" or "HPB_Bot2o.dll", search it, and delete it.

2.) Download metamod from here:
http://www.metamodsource.net/mmsdrop/1.11/mmsource-1.11.0-git992-windows.zip

There is a folder in this zip called "addons". Copy this folder to
"steamapps\common\Team Fortress 2\tf", afterwards it should look like this:
"steamapps\common\Team Fortress 2\tf\addons".

3.) Add "-console -insecure" to your launch options in Steam.
Then you should see this message, in your in-game console.
QUOTE
Loading unsigned module ..\tf\addons\metamod\bin\server
Access to secure servers is disabled.

4.) Afterwards download the latest metamod plugin from Cheeseh.
http://sourceforge.net/p/rcbot2/code/HEAD/tree/utils/RCBot2_meta/Debug/rcbot2meta.dll?format=raw

5.) Then create a folder in your "addons" folder called "rcbot2".
It should look like this "steamapps\common\Team Fortress 2\tf\addons\rcbot2".
Place the "rcbot2meta.dll" in this folder.

6.) Then go to your "addons" folder, into the subfolder "metamod".
This folder "steamapps\common\Team Fortress 2\tf\addons\metamod".

Create a file called "rcbot2.vdf". Open this file with a text editor.
Write following lines into this file:
QUOTE
"Metamod Plugin"
{
"alias" "rcbot2"
"file" "addons/rcbot2/rcbot2meta"
}

7.) Then start the game, and everything should work smile.gif
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post Sep 23 2015, 01:33 PM
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QUOTE(Nightc0re @ Sep 22 2015, 11:03 PM) *

I will try to explain it with simple words.

For a multi player game (like TF2) you have to understand the client-server-concept.
You cannot start a multi player game (like TF2) without a game server.
Someone is creating a server, and other clients can join this server, to play together on the same map.

TF2 has an integrated in-game server.
When you click "Create Server" in TF2, then you are starting a local game server and you are automatically connecting to your own local server.

Although it's a local server, it is still called a server.
When TF2 gets updated, your local game server also gets updated.

RCBot2 is a plugin for this server.

So when somebody in this forum is saying "server" they are referring to your (local) "game server".
This game server can be created on your local computer, or somewhere else (it doesn't matter).
But the installation of RCBot2 is the same, for every server (local or dedicated).
What you are using is called an in-game server, or listen server.
Metamod also works for in-game servers.
As I mentioned before, RCBot2 is a server plugin. Therefore this plugin has to be loaded first.
There are two ways to load a plugin. Via the native plugin interface of your game, or metamod.

Cheeseh is currently not updating the native plugin (which you were using).
But, Cheeseh updated the metamod plugin of RCBot2, which is working with the latest updates.

So you have to download metamod (metamod is used to load plugins).
And then you have to download the latest metamod plugin from Cheeseh.

1.) First delete your installed RCBot2 plugin.
The file is called "HPB_bot2.dll" or "HPB_Bot2o.dll", search it, and delete it.

2.) Download metamod from here:
http://www.metamodsource.net/mmsdrop/1.11/mmsource-1.11.0-git992-windows.zip

There is a folder in this zip called "addons". Copy this folder to
"steamapps\common\Team Fortress 2\tf", afterwards it should look like this:
"steamapps\common\Team Fortress 2\tf\addons".

3.) Add "-console -insecure" to your launch options in Steam.
Then you should see this message, in your in-game console.

4.) Afterwards download the latest metamod plugin from Cheeseh.
http://sourceforge.net/p/rcbot2/code/HEAD/tree/utils/RCBot2_meta/Debug/rcbot2meta.dll?format=raw

5.) Then create a folder in your "addons" folder called "rcbot2".
It should look like this "steamapps\common\Team Fortress 2\tf\addons\rcbot2".
Place the "rcbot2meta.dll" in this folder.

6.) Then go to your "addons" folder, into the subfolder "metamod".
This folder "steamapps\common\Team Fortress 2\tf\addons\metamod".

Create a file called "rcbot2.vdf". Open this file with a text editor.
Write following lines into this file:

7.) Then start the game, and everything should work smile.gif

I understand about creating a server; I thought you meant those ones you purchase and stuff, but yeah, my tf2 updates automatically. I will try all of this soon, thanks for the help overall. smile.gif
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post Sep 24 2015, 07:10 AM
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Rcbot works better on a listenserver but it does support dedicated servers but I'm not sure how stable the metamod version it is now since I only run the bot on a listenserver with all my metmamod and sourcemod plugins running on an offline tf2 client away from the clutches of steam updates I don't need.
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QUOTE(genmac @ Sep 24 2015, 08:10 AM) *

Rcbot works better on a listenserver but it does support dedicated servers but I'm not sure how stable the metamod version it is now since I only run the bot on a listenserver with all my metmamod and sourcemod plugins running on an offline tf2 client away from the clutches of steam updates I don't need.

So, if I go onto create a server, cp_dustbowl and spectate, will it work? (I mainly spectate 15 rcbots vs 15 rcbots lol)
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Yeah it should work...you can even do a bot battle ....rcbots vs tf bots...and see which bots will win at their max settings hehe.
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QUOTE(genmac @ Sep 24 2015, 01:42 PM) *

Yeah it should work...you can even do a bot battle ....rcbots vs tf bots...and see which bots will win at their max settings hehe.

Ok, I've done the following instructions:

1.) First delete your installed RCBot2 plugin.
The file is called "HPB_bot2.dll" or "HPB_Bot2o.dll", search it, and delete it.

2.) Download metamod from here:
http://www.metamodsource.net/mmsdrop/1.11/...992-windows.zip

There is a folder in this zip called "addons". Copy this folder to
"steamapps\common\Team Fortress 2\tf", afterwards it should look like this:
"steamapps\common\Team Fortress 2\tf\addons".

3.) Add "-console -insecure" to your launch options in Steam.
Then you should see this message, in your in-game console.

QUOTE

Loading unsigned module ..\tf\addons\metamod\bin\server
Access to secure servers is disabled.


4.) Afterwards download the latest metamod plugin from Cheeseh.
http://sourceforge.net/p/rcbot2/code/HEAD/....dll?format=raw

5.) Then create a folder in your "addons" folder called "rcbot2".
It should look like this "steamapps\common\Team Fortress 2\tf\addons\rcbot2".
Place the "rcbot2meta.dll" in this folder.

6.) Then go to your "addons" folder, into the subfolder "metamod".
This folder "steamapps\common\Team Fortress 2\tf\addons\metamod".

Create a file called "rcbot2.vdf". Open this file with a text editor.
Write following lines into this file:

QUOTE

"Metamod Plugin"
{
"alias" "rcbot2"
"file" "addons/rcbot2/rcbot2meta"
}


7.) Then start the game, and everything should work smile.gif

How do I change the stuff about rcbots? Names, difficulty, how many, which team etc. I know only one by the console, but it takes too long like that; "add rcbot".

QUOTE(DreadedGhoul575 @ Sep 24 2015, 03:28 PM) *

Ok, I've done the following instructions:

1.) First delete your installed RCBot2 plugin.
The file is called "HPB_bot2.dll" or "HPB_Bot2o.dll", search it, and delete it.

2.) Download metamod from here:
http://www.metamodsource.net/mmsdrop/1.11/...992-windows.zip

There is a folder in this zip called "addons". Copy this folder to
"steamapps\common\Team Fortress 2\tf", afterwards it should look like this:
"steamapps\common\Team Fortress 2\tf\addons".

3.) Add "-console -insecure" to your launch options in Steam.
Then you should see this message, in your in-game console.

QUOTE

Loading unsigned module ..\tf\addons\metamod\bin\server
Access to secure servers is disabled.
4.) Afterwards download the latest metamod plugin from Cheeseh.
http://sourceforge.net/p/rcbot2/code/HEAD/....dll?format=raw

5.) Then create a folder in your "addons" folder called "rcbot2".
It should look like this "steamapps\common\Team Fortress 2\tf\addons\rcbot2".
Place the "rcbot2meta.dll" in this folder.

6.) Then go to your "addons" folder, into the subfolder "metamod".
This folder "steamapps\common\Team Fortress 2\tf\addons\metamod".

Create a file called "rcbot2.vdf". Open this file with a text editor.
Write following lines into this file:

QUOTE

"Metamod Plugin"
{
"alias" "rcbot2"
"file" "addons/rcbot2/rcbot2meta"
}
7.) Then start the game, and everything should work smile.gif

How do I change the stuff about rcbots? Names, difficulty, how many, which team etc. I know only one by the console, but it takes too long like that; "add rcbot".

It's also laggy compared to the previous one I had.
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To change names and other bot settings just go inside your rcbot folder and edit the bot profiles using notepad...everything is explained on the rcbot manual or readme.txt.

Yeah too much bots will lag your listenserver especially if you use both bots so just spawn as many your rig can easily handle without too much frame drops.
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QUOTE(genmac @ Sep 28 2015, 02:30 AM) *

To change names and other bot settings just go inside your rcbot folder and edit the bot profiles using notepad...everything is explained on the rcbot manual or readme.txt.

Yeah too much bots will lag your listenserver especially if you use both bots so just spawn as many your rig can easily handle without too much frame drops.

With at least 16 rcbots (8v8), it lags. I'll probably leave this mod until it's updated or less laggy (not to insult the developer)
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probably something bottle necking your cpu, mine can still handle 9 vs 9 with some stock bots in it and random items on the bots.
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QUOTE(genmac @ Sep 29 2015, 12:47 PM) *

probably something bottle necking your cpu, mine can still handle 9 vs 9 with some stock bots in it and random items on the bots.

Oh right, what's 'bottle necking'? I remember it came up once on google when I looked up 'ai vs ai games' at times.
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Also, how do I install the most recent update now? I've noticed a new update on the website, but I don't know what to put my settings as, plus how to install it again. (lol)
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@DreadedGhoul575 ...too much stuff running in the background on your cpu can create bottlenecks....for insalling the new updates simply extract first the files on an empty folder and execute it...hope it works.
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QUOTE(genmac @ Oct 11 2015, 10:22 AM) *

@DreadedGhoul575 ...too much stuff running in the background on your cpu can create bottlenecks....for insalling the new updates simply extract first the files on an empty folder and execute it...hope it works.


yes. Just extract everythingm then run installer.exe

most likely cpu causing the problem. You can reduce the cpu lag by reducing pathticks, visionticks and visionticksclients in each bot profile, but will cause bots to be less responsive
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